I am by no means an alchemy expert, so please keep that in mind. I hope this might spawn some discussion about both the covers and the role of alchemy in the Harry Potter series.
This post is huge, so I apologize ahead of time.
UPDATED APRIL 15th, 2007
Please check out the end of the post for new information and discussions.
WHAT IS ALCHEMY? WHY IS IT RELEVANT TO HARRY POTTER?
If you don't know, alchemy in literature is a common theme, particular in stories involving a 'hero's journey'.
The wikipedia defintion of alchemy in this role is this:
Although alchemy takes on many forms, in pop culture it is most often cited in stories, films, shows, and games as the process used to change lead (or other elements) into gold. Also another form that alchemy takes is in the search for the Philosopher's Stone, in which to obtain the ability to transmute gold or to eternal life.
The 'lead into gold' thing is a metaphor for a hero achieving their best self or transforming through trial into someone incorruptible.
There are a number of alchemy stories that you probably already know of. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the most famous. A lesser known one -- but more important to us as Harry Potter fans -- is 'The Little White Horse' by Elizabeth Goudge. I say it's important because JKR has stated that it's her favorite book -- and according to her, is also the book that has directly influenced Harry Potter more than any other novel in existence. I'll discuss this book a little further down in more detail.
JKR has admitted to using alchemy extensively. Here's a quote concerning alchemy that JKR gave in an interview with Anne Simpson of the Herald:
"I've never wanted to be a witch, but an alchemist, now that's a different matter. To invent this wizard world, I've learned a ridiculous amount about alchemy. Perhaps much of it I'll never use in the books, but I have to know in detail what magic can and cannot do in order to set the parameters and establish the stories' internal logic."
So that's the basic primer why its relevant -- onto the meat of the topic.
THE ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL IN THE DEATHLY HALLOWS COVER ART
Today, the Deathly Hallows covers were released. There were three separate covers -- the US cover, the UK adult cover and the UK children's cover.
Here is the US cover:

You can see Harry and Voldemort in some sort of vast, empty colliseum or some such location. There are curtains, which could signify the veil. You'll notice that Harry is wearing Slytherin's locket, and also that he appears to be casting wandless magic. What must have changed in him during the seventh book that would take him from barely able to cast a simple non-verbal spell in HBP to dueling Voldemort without a wand in Deathly Hallows? In this picture, it's likely to say that Harry has already been 'transformed into gold' -- how else would he have reached this point?
The UK adult cover is not really relevant to this discussion, but the UK children's cover is, in my opinion, by far the most interesting cover we've ever had.
Here's a look at it, in whole.

All of you UK fans will notice that there has been a little symbol on the spine of each of your HP books -- Pig, a feather, etcetera. On this particular book, we've got something special -- it's an alchemical symbol. Here's a close-up:

People who follow the alchemy theory were very pleased to see this symbol, obviously, and H/Hr fans should be doubly so. It really cannot be argued that alchemy does not play the ruling force in the books -- I'll illustrate why later in the post -- but some people (read: R/Hr shippers) have argued that alchemy is only related to the plot, and not to the relationships between the characters. This symbol does not bode well for those people -- it is a near copy of one of the most famous alchemical images of all time. It is the symbol for the 'chemical wedding' between the sulphur male and the mercury female.
Here is the image:

WHAT THE IMAGE MEANS (Updated March 29th, 2007)
The square represents the four elements: fire, air, water, and earth. In Harry Potter, these elements are used extensively -- most notably, they are the four houses of Hogwarts: Gryffindor is Fire, Slytherin is Water, Ravenclaw is Air, and Hufflepuff is Earth. The square is not shown in the symbol on the book cover for some reason -- maybe the lack of unity in the houses is going to have consequences?
The circle represents a chemical wedding between the Sulphur Male -- in this case, Harry -- and the Mercury female -- in this case, Hermione.
The triangle here is both literal and symbolical -- there's the trio, plus the three angles of the triangle represent the Three Alchemical Principles of Nature. These are mercury, sulphur, and salt. In literary alchemy, these represent three characters showing certain characteristics. I'll list those in the next section.
The book's version of the symbol also differs from the classic one in that it has a line going up through the circle to the tip of the triangle. It's been considered that this is not actually a line, but an arrow:

A vertical arrow represents the spiritual world and a horizontal arrow represents the temporal world. It's possibly a play on the Deathly Hallows, or perhaps the veil. The US cover shows what looks like 'curtains' surrounding an empty plane where Voldemort and Harry are confronting each other -- this may be what lies beyond the veil. It's possible the Deathly Hallows represents the spiritual world.
Other people are speculating that the vertical arrow is pointing to the tip of the triangle -- something common in marriage symbols. That's not necessarily marriage as in love, but marriage as in melding or joining.
Additionally, both the symbols for mercury and the symbols for sulphur contain vertical lines. And interestingly, the mercury symbols include a circle and vertical line and the sulphur symbols contain a triangle and a vertical line.
Here are the symbols. Please forgive my awful, awful drawing ability. I did this with a mouse.

Combine the two, and you get all the elements in the symbol on the cover of the book -- the triangle, the circle, and the vertical line.
So if this symbol was not placed on the cover of the book on a whim -- and I can't see how anyone can believe it was -- it obviously will be the cause of a lot of debate in the shipping world.
SULPHUR, MERCURY, AND SALT: WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?
In a literary alchemy story, there are usually two or three main characters who play certain roles in the quest for the metaphoric Philosopher's Stone. There is always sulphur, who is the hero of the story. There is also always mercury. Salt is usually present, but can be omitted and still be considered an alchemy story.
Sulphur is the heart/soul, usually the main character and the one who is going to be transformed through the alchemic process. He is marked by fire and the Sun -- Harry is ruled by the Sun as a Leo and the scar on his forehead is an exact copy of the sowilo rune -- which represents the sun. There's a picture of the rune on the left.Mercury is the mind, who forms a chemical wedding with the sulphur character after seven stages -- in this case, seven books. Mercury characters offer guidance and advice, and support the Seeker -- sulphur, again -- in his quest. She is marked by earth and water. This is undoubtedly Hermione.
Salt is the body -- this is usually an opposing mirror in some ways of the sulphur character. Body characters have several common traits: voracious appetite, notable physical size or description (height or weight), etcetera. Obviously, this is Ron.
THE ROLE OF ALCHEMY IN HARRY POTTER (Updated March 29th, 2007)
One of -- if not the -- most famous real-life alchemist was Nicolas Flamel. Yes, that Nicolas Flamel, from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. He was a real person and an alchemist, married to a woman named Perenelle. He is attributed to authoring one of the most famous books on the subject of alchemy, 'Exposition of the Hieroglyphicall Figures'. His life's work was discovering -- or more accurately, becoming -- the Philosopher's Stone. In mythical retellings, the Philosopher's Stone could transform any metal into gold and granted the bearer immortality. However, in alchemy as a spiritual or emotional process, the Philosopher's Stone is actually the transformation of the alchemist into gold -- overcoming trials and his own weaknesses to achieve greatness of soul and self. Basically, an incorruptible person.
And although Nicolas Flamel and his wife are now long dead, their pursuit of the 'Philosopher's Stone' did end up granting them a type of eternal life -- their names are known across the world, and their tombs are quite famous landmarks in France. Not to mention, JKR immortalized them in print!
For more information about Nicolas and Perenelle Flamel, their own chemical wedding, and how it relates to H/Hr, please read this comment thread.
All of this should sound familiar to you -- this is basically their entire backstory in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. What may be a surprise to you is that JKR did not create this information -- she simply used what alchemy already provided for her to create a rich foundation for her story. This is actually the true reason why JKR is so unhappy to this day that the name of the book was changed to 'Sorcerer's Stone' in the American version. She allowed it to happen because she wanted it to be published and was asked to do so, but she deeply regrets it now -- and why wouldn't she? The Philosopher's Stone is no made up trinket and it comes into play throughout the series as Harry's ultimate goal.
In an interesting side-note, the Philosopher's Stone and Harry's quest for it is alluded to throughout the novels in an unusual and fun way -- through Quidditch! A person pursuing the stone is traditionally called a 'Seeker'. The symbol for the Philosopher's Stone is the golden circle -- or in the case of Quidditch, the Golden Snitch. Cool, eh?
So, in the first book of Harry Potter, JKR very cleverly shows us what the true theme of the novels really is. She does so through the introduction of Flamel and his physical Philosopher's Stone, and also by designing Seven Trials that Harry has to overcome to obtain it.
THE SEVEN STAGES OF ALCHEMICAL TRANSFORMATION (Updated March 29th, 2007)
In Literary Alchemy, there are Seven Stages of Alchemical Transformation. These stages are the 'Hero's Journey'. In most alchemical novels, such as 'The Lord of the Rings' or 'The Little White Horse', these seven stages occur throughout a single book, or a short series of books. With Harry Potter, JKR decided to take it a step further -- she devoted an entire novel to each stage of Harry's Journey. This is why there was always exactly seven books intended, and why she will never write an eighth.
Here's a picture of the seven stages, and Nicolas Flamel in the center as the alchemist:

Let's take a look at the Seven Stages of Alchemical Transformation and how they relate to each book.
First Stage - Calcination
The destruction of the ego and letting go of attachments to material possessions. It involves overcoming trials by fire.
In the first book, Harry overcomes the seven trials to get to the Philosopher's Stone, which was protected by the Mirror of Erised -- Harry was only able to receive the Stone because he didn't want it for himself.
Second Stage - Dissolution
Dissolution from peers, and a breaking down of the hero's conscious and allowing the unconscious and feminine parts of our minds to have control. It usually involves getting over prejudices or personal hangups.
In the Chamber of Secrets, Harry is thought badly of by his peers for speaking Parseltongue -- they think he's the heir of Slytherin. But he embraces that part of himself after following Hermione's (the feminine) wisdom about the basilisk. He uses parseltongue to open the Chamber and destroy the diary.
Third Stage - Separation
The hero rediscovers dreams and allows them back into his 'essence'. He lets go of shadowy things from his past that he is ashamed of.
In Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry rediscovers his dream for a family through Sirius. His encounters with Dementors allow him to process and, ultimately, understand what happened to his parents. He also learns how to cast a Patronus -- and then uses it to banish the Dementors in the climax of the novel.
Fourth Stage - Conjunction
The empowerment of the hero's true self, and the union between male and female personalities into a new belief system. In this stage, the hero is able to discern what his true path will be.
In Goblet of Fire, Harry is named a Champion and works with Hermione to learn all the spells he'll need to continue through the trials. At the end of the book, he discovers that Voldemort has returned -- and he knows that their destinies are entwined now.
Fifth Stage - Fermentation
The hero is searching for spiritual power and experiences visions. At the end of the stage, the hero is reanimated in his quest and enlightened about its true purpose.
In Order of the Phoenix, Harry experiences visions from Voldemort. After Sirius's death, Harry and Dumbledore discuss the prophecy -- revealing Harry's true purpose.
Sixth Stage - Distillation
The hero discovers impurities in his ego and suffers setbacks. He struggles with identity as a distraction from his quest. At the end of the stage, he becomes a solidified light of power.
Need I say how this mirrors HBP? Distractions? Impurities of ego? But at the end, he returns to his quest, more sure than ever of what he has to do.
As another interesting aside, here's a quote about this stage from the book 'Seven Stages of Alchemical Transformation':
Distillation is represented by a compound known as Black Pulvis Solaris, which is made by mixing black antimony with purified sulfur. The two immediately clump together to make what the alchemists called a bezoar.
The bezoar is an object familiar to Harry Potter fans -- it also has the largest role yet in this book. Harry saves Ron's life by forcing a bezoar down his throat to counteract his poisoning.
Seventh Stage - Coagulation
The hero achieves Ultima Materia of the soul, the Astral Body. This is referred to as the transformation into the Philosopher’s Stone.
... what this means in the seventh book is left up to speculation.
However, in an alchemy story, this is always the stage where a 'chemical wedding' occurs between the sulphur 'hero' and the mercury 'guide'. It's important to note that the chemical wedding isn't always romantic in nature. In Lord of the Rings, for example, it occurs between Frodo and Sam as they leave behind the body, Gollum. However, in many stories -- particularly ones where the sulphur and mercury characters are of opposite sex -- it typically is romantic in nature. A true joining of partnership that transforms both parties.
In 'The Little White Horse', which as I said above is the book JKR attributes to most directly influencing Harry Potter, the hero on the quest is a girl, Maria. The guide is a male, Robin. Because of the switched gender roles, the archetype of sulphur and mercury are different here -- Maria is the mercury woman, but she represents Heart, not mind. Robin is sulphur male, but he represents Mind, not heart. In the end of the book, they join in a romantic chemical wedding -- and a real wedding -- before Maria must continue on her quest alone -- which she then succeeds at.
(Edited March 29th -- Thanks to Terri for clarification)
There are a number of notable similarities between 'The Little White Horse' and 'Harry Potter'. For example, Maria arrives at her ancestral home only to discover that she's really a princess -- this mirrors Harry's discovery that he's a wizard. Maria also discovers there's a prophecy written about her that names her the 'Moon Princess' and that only she can 'deal with the wicked Men from the Dark Woods'. She goes through the seven stages of Alchemical Transformation culminating in the chemical wedding and is thus 'transformed into gold', allowing her to save her home.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR HARRY/HERMIONE SHIPPERS? (Section Added March 29th, 2007)
For starters, despite what some R/Hr fans want to believe -- that in each other's company, Harry and Hermione somehow become genderless -- the two of them are of opposite sex. The cover of the book shows the symbol for a chemical wedding between a sulphur man and a mercury woman. Harry is sulphur. Hermione is mercury. So it can certainly be speculated that this indicates Harry and Hermione will form a romantic partnership through which Harry will ultimately be transformed into gold -- allowing him to confront Voldemort once and for all. After all, we've already been told that 'The Power He Knows Not' is love. It doesn't sound so hokey when you look at it through the lens of alchemy, does it?
So why might the chemical wedding be romantic in nature, instead of a merging or joining forces?
What leads me to believe it is romantic in nature are three main things.
1) The traditional roles of male/female sulphur/mercury characters in literature -- they are almost always romantic in nature, usually in some sort of 'revelation'.
2) The alchemical symbol on the book cover. The symbol isn't just a random one for a 'chemical wedding', it's a near copy of one of the most famous alchemical image ever published. You'll find it everywhere when studying the theory -- it seems impossible that JKR learned and applied so much alchemy without seeing it and understanding what it means.
Here it is again:

This particular image for chemical wedding is romantic in nature -- in many symbols for chemical wedding, the sulphur/mercury archetypes are pictured as gods, sometimes animals, sometimes the moon and the sun, and sometimes they're not pictured at all. In this one, it is the romantic joining of the sulphur male and the mercury female to form spiritual and physical wholeness that is depicted. This is often referred to as, 'Squaring the Circle'.
That's the picture JKR put on the book. I have to assume it was chosen for a reason.
3) And finally, the use and inclusion of Nicolas Flamel and his wife Perenelle in the Harry Potter series. Using these two, JKR expertly tells us exactly which type of alchemy archetypes she's using in her novels -- the sulphur male and the mercury female.
Nicolas Flamel, both in the books and in real life, was a sulphur male. His quest for the Philosopher's Stone was a failure for many, many years -- however, later in his life he met his wife, Perenelle, a mercury woman. In fact, it was much later in life for the time period -- Nicolas and Perenelle did not meet and marry until Perenelle was 40.
Of the two, Nicolas Flamel is the more famous and now the one more widely known, but Perenelle Flamel was no mere housewife! She was a formidable alchemist in her own right. After their marriage, they worked on alchemical theories together for many years, which ultimated culminated in Nicolas writing his ultimate work on the subject. Through this book, together they gained immortality -- their names have lived on forever.
The story of Nicolas and Perenelle Flamel is one of the more famous sulphur male/mercury female chemical weddings of all time. That these two people are the premiere alchemists in the work of Harry Potter says something to me about what sort of chemical wedding JKR prefers most.
FURTHER DISCUSSION (Updated April 1st, 2007)
This thread spawned a number of great questions and discussions. Additionally, a few more knowledgeable alchemy theorists dropped me a line to present some more information. I wanted this thread to appeal to a wide audience, so I wrote it in a way that was brief, simple, and without too much complicated information. However, after reading this, a lot of people have discovered interest in the topic and want more information. That's what this section is for -- I'll post links here to discussions within the comments that are of interest, and also some added info that people have given me.
Click on the question to view the original discussion. I'll update this section as more questions are presented.

Why is Hermione mercury? Why can't Ginny be mercury?
In this thread, we discuss why Hermione is mercury, particularly why her name marks her as such. It also discusses Hermione/Mercury's relationship with time from a real Nicolas Flamel emblem, and what this has to do with time-turners.
This is also relevant to the discussion of why Ron can't be sulphur, as many R/Hr fans claim. Terri (H_Hrfan) sent me a set of graphics she made that compare the combinations of Harry/Hermione, Hermione/Ron, and Harry/Ginny and their roles in a possible chemical wedding. Here are the tables for your own comparison:

You'll notice that only Harry/Hermione actually matches the sulphur/mercury alchemical models.

The name 'Luna' appears in many alchemical descriptions. Is this our Luna? And what is Luna's role?
This thread discusses Luna, both in alchemy and in HP. We speculate what Luna's role in the chemical wedding between sulphur and mercury might be. We also discuss Neville and his role.

What are the 'red man' and 'white woman'? Why isn't Ron the red man?
This goes into more discussion about the symbol on the book covers, plus information about why Ron is not the sulphur 'Red Man'.

Could the chemical wedding between sulphur and mercury not include romance? And what are the reasons that it's likely to include romance?
Discussing why the chemical wedding might not necessarily be romance, but what clues JKR has left that it's going to be. Plus, a further look into the chemical wedding between Nicolas and Perenelle Flamel and why JKR included them in the books.

What are other good sites to look up alchemy in detail? What is the emblem of the snake, the phoenix, the toad, and the chemical wedding between sun and moon? What is the role of the toad in the quest for the Philosopher's Stone?
Giving a link to a great site on alchemy for you own research, and a look at a classic alchemical emblem that depicts a snake, a phoenix, a toad, and a moon/sun merging. Sound familiar? Think Harry, Riddle, Neville, and Dumbledore. Here's the image:


Does JKR really know this much about alchemy? What makes people believe she's interested in it?
This thread discusses JKR's interest in alchemy and how she's applying it to her stories, including a look at the 'Golden Egg' in Goblet of Fire. It also takes a look at her online bookshelf to see what types of novels and themes she attracted to.

Is the snake in the crystal ball on back flap of the UK children's cover an alchemical symbol?
Looking at the knotted snake and other emblems of Nicolas Flamel.

Can another pairing in the Harry Potter books be the chemical wedding? Like James/Lily or Bill/Fleur?
Explaining more about what a 'chemical wedding' is and how pairings don't represent chemical weddings. Also goes into a JKR comment about Albus Dumbledore and why he ultimately failed at becoming gold -- because he never found a partner.
If you have any questions, corrections, or material you want to send me, you can reply to this thread or email me at
.CREDITS (Updated April 15th, 2007)
There's a long list of people whom this primer would not have been possible. In alphabetical order, they are: alexism, angelsslave, avidbeader, azaria, bluestocking, H_Hrfan, hoppenscotch, John Granger, mandrill, moonstruck, PhoenixWriter, redshoes, salamon2, sherbert lemon, sirius83, yolaura, and the crew behind AccioQuote!.
I hope I don't forget anyone -- please let me know if I have!
This is already insanely long, but for people interested in the subject, there's a ton of threads discussing alchemy and its role in the books more in depth. There are some people who post in these threads that are true geniuses concerning the material. I suggest you have a look -- you'll be shocked at how much of the books are derived from the subject!
Anyway, I hope this cleared up some things and that I didn't put people to sleep. I apologize for any typos or errors.
Cheers and happy shipping!
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March 29 2007, 05:51:57 UTC 5 years ago
Wow!
This was fantastic, and I certainly hope it's true! Thanks for all the time and research you put into it.One question: Could the line through the circle mean a split for the two in the chemical wedding? I hope not!
March 29 2007, 06:11:12 UTC 5 years ago
Re: Wow!
I suppose that's possible, but it seems very unlikely. The line extends beyond the circle, for one, and only the circle represents the chemical wedding. Plus, then it would no longer be an alchemical symbol -- more an an anti-alchemical symbol.Actually, both the symbols for mercury and the symbols for sulphur contain vertical lines. And interestingly, the mercury symbols include a circle and vertical line and the sulphur symbols contain a triangle and a vertical line.
Here are the symbols. Please forgive my awful, awful drawing ability.
Combine the two, and you get all the elements in the symbol on the cover of the book -- the triangle, the circle, and the vertical line.
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But, um, I don’t want to be kill joy...
but the wedding thing couldn’t be Lily and James? And to some people- Mercury could represent Ginny.
March 29 2007, 06:36:33 UTC 5 years ago
And I only listed the basic principals of sulphur, mercury, and salt for brevity. I didn't want people to fall asleep! There are many other things that mark Hermione as mercury -- notably what her name is derived from: 'Hermes'. Hermes and mercury are interchangable.
Here is a description of one of the more famous alchemical emblems of mercury:
Hermes-Mercury with winged helmet and sandals stands on the left beside a naked Luna or woman with a moon crescent on her head. He has the symbol of Mercury beside him, while the Lunar woman has the symbol of Sulphur, and linking them together is the word 'Hermaphrodita'. They stand on a flat plain, and four winds blow upon them from the Elements of Air, Fire, Earth and Water. Behind them are a range of mountains, upon which the gods of the planets stand.
Nicolas Flamel himself actually created an emblem about Hermes/Mercury and his or her role in the alchemical process. I'll post it below.
Here is the description of the emblem:
The figure of Hermes or Mercury wearing his winged helmet stands holding his caduceus in his right hand. In the air above winged Saturn or Chronos approches, complete with hour-glass on his head, and holding his scythe.
Chonos, of course, represents time. Does this sound familiar? Hermione assists Harry by presenting him with her time-turner, which is described as a 'small silver hourglass'. It's been speculated the the time-turner will have a role to play in the last book.
Additionally, mercury is the representation of the mind, and is marked as such. There's no way that can be Ginny.
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March 29 2007, 06:22:55 UTC 5 years ago
Thank you for giving such clear explanations--with effective visual aids, too!--for those of us who aren't so well versed in alchemy. Just going by canon, I had already been long convinced of Harmony, but pointing out the alchemical significance of the DH covers makes the ship that much more solid and infinitely sweeter!
It's also nice to finally see more evidence boosting Harmonian alchemical theories from what they were years ago, prior to HBP, to the compelling level that alchemy seems to have reached today. Again, kudos!
March 29 2007, 06:58:56 UTC 5 years ago
I only really started looking into alchemy after HBP -- there's so many people with more knowledge and experience at it than me. I hope some of them post in this thread.
But alchemy really helped me 'get over' HBP. I'll confess that the book pissed me off when I first read it, but looking at it in terms of the stages of alchemy, I really started to understand why it was necessary. HBP was an important part in Harry's 'hero's journey', even if it was difficult to read at times.
March 29 2007, 06:36:14 UTC 5 years ago
Now, I have a few doubts, am new in this of the alchemy:
Sorry for filling with questions. And sorry for my English also ;)
Thanks for sharing!
March 29 2007, 06:54:01 UTC 5 years ago
Your first question is actually where a lot of the debate has always occured between R/Hr shippers and H/Hr shippers. It's pretty unanimous that Hermione is mercury -- the white woman, but some R/Hr shippers think that Ron is sulphur -- the red man.
However, the argument they use that Ron is marked as the red man is not based on his character or his role in the story -- it's based on his hair color. And this is patently bizarre. Alchemy is not so superficial, for one thing. And for another, coloring has little to do with who is marked as sulphur in other novels. Frodo is without question sulphur -- the red man. Does anyone recall Frodo having red hair and freckles? No.
Not only that, but sulphur is always marked with Fire and the Sun. Fire is it's ruling element and the Sun, its ruling astrological body -- that is where 'the red man' comes from. Harry is Leo, a fire Sign who is ruled by the Sun. His scar is a rune for the Sun. His temperment matches, as well.
Ron is a Pisces, and is ruled by Water. He is also described in ways that correspond with the character of Body -- salt. His appetite is the main one. The repeated descriptions of his height is another. Obsession with material things is another characteristic.
Additionally, and in my opinion, most importantly, Ron is not the main character. He has no need to be transformed, nor will he be -- he's not the one that has to kill Voldemort. It is sulphur who is transformed -- this has to be Harry.
Your picture of the magnesio symbol is interesting. I'll look into it, but on first glance, it doesn't seem to match since the line continues through the circle into the point of the triangle.
Great post, thanks! Your english was perfectly understandable.
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I can't wait to read your post; I must sleep now, but I'm totally memming this so I can read it tomorrow.
Thank you so much for putting it together and posting it here!
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Thanks for refreshing us and giving us something to smile about!
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Thank you for posting this. It's very well written and clear - one of the best posts I've seen in the community in a long time. I never knew Alchemy was such a huge part of the books. You can bet I'll be looking into this more!
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March 29 2007, 13:17:13 UTC 5 years ago
I still believe the reason why JKR duped us with the IoD and all the R/Hr talk was to throw us off the track. Didn't she say that "there are some of you who are very close to figuring it out"? (I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like that.)
So I just about came out of my skin when I saw the covers yesterday. Could it be that we H/Hr-ers have been right all along?? **jumps up and down**
I'm SO saving this post into my memories. Fantastic post, and if you don't mind, I'm going to share it with my other friends as well.
Thanks for this and GO HARMONY!!
March 29 2007, 18:15:49 UTC 5 years ago
"authors and wizards are not always to be trusted"
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What won me over was your seven stages. I could hardly believe how perfect they were to each and every book. It really blew my mind. I always believed that Hermione was the second most important protagonist in the book, but that was mostly because I perceived Hermione as an empowere love-interest for Harry. It's only now I can actually see her as the other half of a much needed Alchemical wedding. Like you said, it doesn't necessarily mean that the wedding would be a romantic one in the end, but this particular essay, mostly with regard to the symbol on the spine, has really boosted my hope like none of the other essays have. I'm not exaggerating. In the PK forums, I've NEVER said the theories there have me convinced. It doesn't mean that I don't think the theories are good, because all of their theories are GREAT, but I just haven't read one that's convinced me, is all. This essay of yours really caught me.
As in, that's it. I'm done. I'm absolutely convinced!
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March 29 2007, 18:24:52 UTC 5 years ago
The seven stages are really what won me over, too. They are absolutely nearly identical -- by the time I had gotten to reading about the 'Visions' in the fifth stage, I was sold. It even made HBP bearable, which is no mean feat.
March 29 2007, 14:21:41 UTC 5 years ago
Thanks! Adding this to my memories.
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thanks a lot for all the work you put into this!!!
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March 29 2007, 20:21:10 UTC 5 years ago
Wow, the seven stages...seven books...all the alchemy...my faith in JKR has never been stronger...let us hope we are vindicated!
March 29 2007, 21:02:43 UTC 5 years ago
I'm suddenly really looking forward to Deathly Hallows. I haven't felt that way in a while...
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March 29 2007, 20:33:47 UTC 5 years ago
Thanks so much for this!
March 29 2007, 21:05:21 UTC 5 years ago
Full Metal Alchemist is actually a great example of the theory being used in pop culture. The Final Fantasy games are also examples of it. A lot of the terms for Final Fantasy are even alchemical terms -- sephiroths, materia, etc.
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March 30 2007, 00:03:04 UTC 5 years ago
Harry/Hermione forever!!!
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March 30 2007, 02:41:32 UTC 5 years ago
Yes, I again.
You know, in these times that I had lost any type of hope ... or, rather, I didn't want to believe.
I was wondering if I might translate this alchemy theory/analysis,to share with my companions H/Hr of the forum in Spanish to whom I belong.
The Couple of the Phoenix.
I would have a lot of illusion. Certainly, all credits for you.
Not all the members of this forum have livejournal, or aren't members of this community and the entries are closed, or don't read in English.
Any type of response is welcome, I will understand that you don't agree; but I had to ask ;)
Thanks!
*blush*
March 30 2007, 03:38:43 UTC 5 years ago
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A lot of it is still beyond me - or rather, I haven't read enough literature to be convinced in my heart that this 'alchemy roadmap' is indeed that common a foundation on which so many heroic quests are based - but I've regained some hope from seeing how what you've described meshes with the books. Plus, the more brainy people go along with this, the more probability that they're right!
Do you think, though, that JKR herself is erudite enough to utilise all of this? Even if HBP fits in with this framework, the book itself, standing on its own ... well, I don't usually resort to use of the vernacular, but the word fits so well ... *sucked*. It's hard to believe that an author who produced that would still have the drive and ability to follow this (seemingly quite complex!) programme!
I tell you what, it is going to be *so much fun* to hang around the H/Hr communities if H/Hr eventuates in the seventh book! I will take much vicarious pleasure in watching you say "I told you so!". Well, that plus watching the H/G fangirls undergo some self-immolation. Cheers!
March 30 2007, 07:26:04 UTC 5 years ago
Obviously, none of us can know exactly how much studying of alchemy JKR has done in regard to her Harry Potter books, but I believe she's actually been quite thorough. She's said that she spent 17 years researching and writing her books -- and that she spent a 'ridiculous amount' of that time studying alchemy. If she really devoted that much time to it, I have to believe that her examination of the subject wasn't cursory, and that she absorbed most of what she was researching. She's not an unintelligent person, and the themes she's using when it comes to alchemy are neither the most obscure nor the most difficult to understand. In fact, they're just the opposite.
The 'Philosopher's Stone' is the core principle of alchemy. Every discussion about the theory has to include it, so whatever book she picked up on the subject must have covered it in detail. And as the core principle, the steps one has to take to achieve it are also as commonly discussed. Type 'alchemy' into google, and I imagine the first site you visit will have a description of the Seven Stages of Alchemical Transformation.
Besides the obvious stages of the hero's journey, there are other indicators that she's using alchemy and that she places extreme value on it as a theory.
Her research into Nicolas Flamel is presented clearly -- his back story right down to the name of his wife was included. And she's used less obvious symbols of Flamel's alchemy in other, more inconspicuous ways -- take the golden egg that Harry has to retrieve in Goblet of Fire. Flamel has referred to the Golden Egg is his alchemical research -- it even appears in his famous book on alchemy as 'The Philosopher's Egg'. And what chapter does it appear in? Chapter III -- which begins, "Look well upon these two Dragons". Of course, in the books, dragons are protecting the golden eggs.
In the magical world, Dumbledore is perceived to be most famous not for destroying Grindlewald, but for his efforts as a alchemist. It says so right on his chocolate frog card.
The title of her first book is purely alchemical. "The Philosopher's Stone" is, of course, the one thing that all alchemists must aspire to.
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March 30 2007, 05:12:12 UTC 5 years ago
Thank you for putting so much research into this and sharing it with us. Great job!
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